The Initial Assessment of Google Unveiling Approximate Search Counts in Google External Keyword Tool
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In this issue of the Keyword Informer…
- Quick Overview of Google's Release of Search Count Data
- Compare Google Analytics Logs to Google Search Count Numbers
- What Hidden Data on the Google Keyword Tool?
- What does NicheBOT Plan to do About the NEW Google Data?
- Answers to Your Questions
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1. Quick Overview of Google's Release of Search Count Data
Ah, the bees are buzzing (much as are the people are in forums)…
Summer is here, and…
Bloggers are blogging on and on about the terrific news that Google has released actual search volume numbers and replaced the old green bar graphs that gave an approximate search volume on Google's Keyword External Tool.

The switch was impulsive — and it was out of thin air — and very unsuspecting.
I truly believe it caught a LOT of people off guard (especially those in the keyword research community).
In fact, last week, I myself was completely taken by surprise from this unveiling and was shaky to even disclose this fact to NicheBOT's subscribers because I was just having a hard time comprehending that Google would release their search numbers — just like that!
You see, Google vowed to never allow what happened to Yahoo!'s Overture tool with the numbers being way off (and highly overstated). Something, somehow tipped the cow at Google.
There was all sorts of speculation in the comments to last week's announcement with questions as to why Google had done this and what their motivation was behind the rather drastic move.
In all severe honesty, I thought the exact search numbers (or approximate numbers I should say) was some sort of glitch — a test to see if someone was paying attention or some belated April Fool's Day joke.
Google can show a good sense of humor at times with the copy written on their site.
This type of bare naked disclosure by Google was truly the furthest thing from my mind. In fact, I'll let you in that I was anticipating another (major) search engine to divulge its numbers and make its keyword data open to the public. Perhaps Google sniffed that out and made the first move to beat them to the punch. Nonetheless…
It's a huge move for Google and they apparently did it as a result of advertiser feedback that they have acted upon.
I'm gonna have to side with Google on this. If your customers that run your bread and butter advertising system are begging you to know what the exact search counts are to help them out better and make better keyword advertising decisions — how long do you hold back until it starts to negatively impact your business?
It's the same thing here at NicheBOT. If a number of people ask for the same feature over and over to be integrated into NicheBOT - of course, it's going to be acted upon (or those people will go elsewhere).
While there was no big hooplah, this was announced to Google Adwords users (which seemed to be the focal point) and, ultimately, the tool's main purpose is to facilitate and assist their advertisers.
I could also however envision that Google could have easily kept this data behind the Google Adwords center login rather than exposing the data to the Joe Blow public. There was some strict intention to allow the Google search counts to be viewable to the public and basically allow any living, breathing, human being that has access to a personal computer connected to the internet (PDAs and iPhones are not disregarded here) to see the approximate search count of how many people are search for a particular phrase on Google.com.
And just by releasing numbers now immediately brings to mind one immediate question on everyone's mind.
It's the same thing most people wonder about other keyword data that comes from other sources . . .
"Is it accurate?"
As I've been saying for years and years and in emails to subscribers, my weekly live call-in shows, keyword research is in its infancy at best just yet.
It is NOT an exact science and cannot be taken that way.
The only way keyword research could be even close to scientific is if all the major search engines (Yahoo, Google, MSN, Ask.com and a few others) compiled their information into one major searchable database that online business owners would have access to.
That is not going to happen anytime soon.
However, Google divulging its numbers unveils at least what half the world is searching for — or at least 50% of the world's population — which is a solid step in the right direction. And to me, this now gives pretty good insight into the collective consciousness (the people around the world).
But I digress.
A good number of people asked (personally and in comments on the blog) — are the Google search volume figures accurate?
And I think a good word of caution arises here.
Just like anything that gets released right away — a piece of software or some neat tool or some major overhaul to a tool, it's most of the time getting released in beta fashion for the users to battle test it and give feedback while the system is tweaked by the developer (in this case Google).
I think the same kind of attitude needs to be taken with the new found search counts given in Google's keyword tool which is primarily for Adwords advertisers (but great for keyword researchers).
In other words, don't take them too seriously.
As times goes on — I imagine that Google will tweak the system to relay a much more finite, closer estimation as they dial in crunching all the hundreds of millions of searches being done all around the world. We should be grateful just for the fact that they have released ANY numbers to begin with. Really!Google even calls it like it is in their explanation on the site — these numbers are approximations — meaning estimates — and should be taken as such.
What I particularly like better about this data rather than worrying about its accuracy – you can sort out to see what the most popular keywords are — even if they may or may not bring in as much traffic. At least there can be some priority placed on which keywords get promotional attention first.
2. Google Analytics Log Comparisons to Google Search Count Numbers
So just like I promised in an email to NicheBOT subscribers, I am going to share some example comparisons I did so we can see how the Google approximations compare to my own traffic logs that are drawn straight from Google Analytics (my website software tracking package I use for multiple online properties). This is only a small sample taken to really ascertain whether the numbers are anywhere close to accurate or approximations.
I took a good variety of keywords to give a glance of how approximate the numbers are.
Interestingly, Jerry West, as a guest blogger for John Cow, said in his article about Google releasing the numbers, that you'll need at least 600 impressions for a keyword on your end or there won’t be any data from the previous month (and Google will show "insufficient data" rather than a search count volume).
So let's see what my search engine logs revealed for traffic and what Google shows for their approximations of searches for that keyword.
I will not be sharing the actual keyword phrases, but rather the position number in the search engine, what the stats for that keyword are and what Google shows for last month's approximate searches and then the average figure over the past 12 months.
When I ran searches using the Google External Keyword Tool, I ran the search for the keyword phrase first which is displayed in broad search. Then I went ahead and once the results were displayed, I used the pull down menu in the upper right hand corner to choose "Match Type: Exact" because that will show more accurate results.

Here's what I found:
- A keyword in position #1 brings in an average of 2,628.5 visitors each and every month (over the past 6 months) and Google's approximate numbers are 1,600 for June with an average of 1,900 searches over 12 months.
- A keyword in position #1 brings in 583 visitors this past month while Google shows that approximately 22,200 searches were done in June with an average of 8,100 searches over the past year.
- Another keyword in the #1 position brings in an average of 8 visitors each month over the past year while the Google tool gives me estimates of 6,600 searches for June with an average of 1,900 searches through a 12 month period.
- Another #1 keyword position brings in 46 visitors over the past month where Google shows 1,000 searches for June and an average of 720.
- A keyword in the #6 spot on Google brings in 202 visitors over the past month, yet Google shows that there were 4,400 searches in June and an average of 2,400 during the past year.
- A keyword phrase showing up #7 on Google brings in 121 monthly visitors, while Google shows an approximate 18,100 searches for June and a 12-month average of 9,900.
As you can see from what Google's Analytics logs show compared to the search volume generated by the Google keyword tool, the numbers are all over the place and there is nothing exact or accurate about this picture. (NOTE: I took some of the more drastic keyword examples to give you a sort of picture of how predictable the figures can be.)
I urge everyone to take a reality pill here.
When there was AOL data leaked back in August of 2006, it was gleaned from that data that the #1 keyword position on Google gets 42% of the traffic (I'm sure it's not like that across the board on every keyword phrase — but okay, I'll run with that).
As you can see from some of the #1 keyword positions up above, there are some that don't even fall close to the 42% of the search volume figures from the Google External Keyword Tool.
And yeah, there's a bunch of banter and noise out there as to whether any of this data is at all accurate. Some say that the data is accurate according to their PPC campaigns, some say it's over inflated and I'm yet to see anyone say they are under-inflated (much like one of my #1 positions above).
Ed Dale made an exciting video about the Google numbers claiming emphatically that they (the Google numbers) are spot on. But when you look closer at the video, Ed does a search for "male yeast infection" I believe, and quotes the search volume number on the screen. Yet, you can see he is quoting "Broad" match — which numbers we know are way overblown.
Then there is Jerry West who says that you must apply the "Exact" match filter to get more accurate results. I'll have to side with Jerry here.
Now, I'm sure some SEO experts would weigh in on my keyword examples and say "Jim, there must be something wrong with your title tags or you must have really irrelevant keyword phrases for those poor performing top #1 positions." And nothing could be further from the truth. The keyword phrases are dead on with relevancy of the sites.
And there's no way you can argue with logs coming direct from Google Analytics.
This is why the best dose of medicine is to take the new numbers with a grain of salt.
Remember what I said above — if anything, these figures now allow you to bring to the top and prioritize going after the more popular keywords. That is at least no more of a mystery with those green bar estimates!
The other things to keep in mind that affect not getting as much traffic as you think you should get for a keyword phrase at the top (or on the first page) of Google:
- Competing Listings - You are competing to get the click with not only 9 other listings, but as many Adwords ads that are displayed along the right side and some more prominent ads above the organic listings.
- The Power and Relevance of Your Own Search Engine Listing - Your site's search engine listing which is pulled from the title tag of your site (and is the first line of your search engine listing) and the description below the first line (your site's meta description) have to be persuasive over and above the other sites on the page. Moreover, it has to be extremely relevant to the keyword. If your site listing is not suitable to the web surfers that see it, then you will not get the click and thus, not get the visitor. So it really doesn't matter how many gazillion searches Google says there are for a keyword.
For some, this is a heavy dose of reality. But the fact is, even if keyword research was scientific (which is still isn't), there is no way to be guaranteed that you'll get as much website visitor traffic according to some number you are given from ANY database.
There are just too many factors on the search engine results page — and it's your job to test which keywords are more effective than others. No one else can tell you what keywords are going to outperform others. And the search engines are certainly not going to hand over stats on which keywords get the highest clickthrough rates for a certain type of site listing.
3. What Hidden Google Data?
Back when I first announced Google releasing the numbers, Frann had commented that:
Something worth looking at is the extra columns not shown by default. I only noticed these when I decided to copy the entire table (using the firefox plugin "copy table", as the csv didnt give me the data I wanted. When I pasted the table into my spreadsheet, there were all these extra columns…
Frann was in fact right once we downloaded the Firefox plugin that she mentioned. It's not really hidden data, but there are some extra columns of data you can actually display when you use the "Choose columns to display" and choose "Show all." This is the extra data you get to see on the page:

So now you also get to see the Esimated Ad Position for a keyword, Estimated Average Cost Per Click, Search Volume Trends over the course of one year and what month the highest volume of search occurred in. And that is some serious extra meaty info that one can use to make some decisions about the keywords, don't ya think?
4. What does NicheBOT Plan to do About the NEW Google Data and When?
As a market leader, you can believe that NicheBOT is on it!
We've already made contact with Google right away to see when they are releasing this data to the API users so NicheBOT members can make use of it. Unfortunately, Google has not given us a definite date.
Alternatively, we already have an import tool that will take the CSVs you can download directly from the tool, and then import the keyword data into NicheBOT for further competitive analysis and so on.
This should be out and available to NicheBOT users by next week.
As soon as this data becomes available to API users, we should have it incorporated and integrated into NicheBOT within hours — not days or weeks.
5. Answers to Your Questions
Last week, when I rang everyone with the good news about Google making this data available, there were a number of questions I promised to answer as well with this follow-up, here are the answers (most of which was covered up above).
Mark Klugman @ 4:51 pm:
This is a major development. Jim, when can we expect to see these numbers reflected on Nichebot's pages? I am a very happy subscriber. Thanks.
ANSWER: Just like it says above, as SOON as Google makes the data available through their API. Right now, all we get back in response to Google searches are green bars.
Anthony Ettinger @ 5:09 pm:
Is it publicly available via an API from Google yet?
ANSWER: Nope – not yet. But once it's available, it'll be up lickity-split.
Brad Hodges @ 5:17 pm:
Hummm…why now? What is Goggle up to? It almost reminds me how a sale goes up to liquidate old inventory before new merchandise comes on board. Google does everything for a reason. While I cannot initially see anything bad about this something is up.
ANSWER: Yup – this was for a reason – and it was due to their advertisers feedback.
Anthony Whyms @ 5:20 pm:
Hi Jim,
Thanks for the head
About 30 minutes before I saw your mail, I was actually on Google keyword and I thought (to be honest with you) that a bug was affecting my laptop.
Hey, i used this keyword last week and I did not see anything like this - raw data starring me in the face?
Anyway, as I refresh and searched for more keywords on multiple pages I fully realized it was real. However, I have some fears:
1) Has this really come to stay?
2) Can we totally depend/trust this data as the real numbers being search on Google?
3) In some of the search results, you see either under Under eithApprox Search Volume: June Help or Approx Avg Search Volume: "Insufficient Data"
Jim what does this mean?
Will be glad to hear from you.
ANSWER: Hey Anthony, let’s take your questions one at a time.
1.1. I believe this has come to stay.
2.2. Take the numbers with a grain of salt – see above.
3.3. The insufficient data is not defined in Google’s help material, but I take it to mean that there was not enough searches or history or searches for that term and they don’t have any numbers to reflect for that given column, whether it’s average searches over the course of a year or for the previous month. Jerry West had indicated a magic number of 600 visitors on your end for a keyword to see any data on Google’s keyword tool.
OmahaSEO @ 5:40 pm:
This new information begs the question - How close are these estimates? I have already started reviewing recent keyword data and it's obvious: Google is only providing estimates, not actual data.
If you research a keyword phrase with enough related phrases and synonyms, you will see estimate numbers repeated for different phrases - almost pattern like.
It's not a straight multiplier to their previous decimal values - but maybe like PageRank, a logarithmic scale.
ANSWER: For me – the estimates are all over the place. See above.
SEO Image @ 6:54 pm:
It does not seem to differentiate between "exact match" and broad match. Since this is a PPC tool, you still need to consider the results may be skewed with "broad" data. Unless I missed that info?
ANSWER: I would definitely use “Exact” match and there should be a differentiation.
Profit Hunter @ 10:54 pm:
Yeah, that's a really big news!
But has anyone compared numbers which the Google Keyword Tool gives with your real data? I have some very strange results…
ANSWER: Yes – I see some very strange results too and I suggest anyone be leery at first.
Denny - small business software @ 1:53 pm:
I too just did a "test" on 10 main keywords and it does seem largely inflated. My question is WHY would they inflate their own numbers?
Seems like that would discourage using those in an adword campaign, since the green bar usually shows competition at the maximum. The partial green bar or no green bar for comp. and lots of traffic for a popular keyword makes it nearly unbelievable completely.
What are they REALLY up to??
ANSWER: Not sure why they would inflate their numbers. Their database has to be SO huge, that they are probably using some sort of formulation to compute searches across all data centers. Hundreds of millions of searches can quite imaginably be hard to keep up with.
Valheru75 @ 3:07 pm:
This really is amazing!! For the first time ever I don't have to guess what number of searches keywords are getting on google!! For forever we have all used overtures numbers and a multiplier to get these numbers and we just hoped they were close. This is great but I have to agree it makes me nervous.
Why would Google make this change?
Is it going to stay this way?
People must be scraping the hell out of keyword lists right now to get these numbers into a database.
ANSWER: Google made the change in response to advertiser (customer) feedback. The customer is GOLDEN.
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That's the update to the newly released numbers and hope that makes it clear that I believe your results will vary. You should not get hung up on the fact that a keyword doesn't produce the amount of traffic the numbers say it should because you're simply not going to get all the clicks.
If you have any further data you would like to share with other users that might be helpful, please do so below.
Of course, I'd love to hear your comments regardless of having any further data to this update.
Best of success,
Jim Morris, Founder
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47 Comments on The Initial Assessment of Google Unveiling Approximate Search Counts in Google External Keyword Tool »
Guy Lecky-Thompson @ 12:10 am:
Hi,
Interesting article. As someone who makes their bread and butter in SEO/SEM and virtual property, I find some of it a bit hard to swallow. For example, the 'hidden data' has always been there, and my own Keyword Cracker technique uses it extensively to isolate keyword phrases that are suitable for high earnings (CPC) or high traffic (Search Volume vs. Competition).
Also, to say that 'keyword research is in its infancy, at best' is possibly a little misleading. The fact is that Google, and others, will always be twisting the dials, forcing us to continually update our techniques.
In that sense, I fear that it's never going to settle down!
Best,
Guy
Mayank - Google Nemesis @ 12:22 am:
Thanks Jim! You were the first one to report this. I have got several mails on this from other gurus, who were busy promoting the latest products to launch.
This Will Change Your Life! @ 12:42 am:
Hi Jim readers n posters … Google must of realized it was a door open for the other competition search engines to creep through … so they have gone back to basics and polished their mission statement brass plaques so they can see it with fresh eyes … as a reminder the plaque reads "NO EVIL" …
All my best to you and your mission statement.
Phillip Skinner
The NicheBOT Guy @ 1:00 am:
Hey Guy,
Apparently, you missed this line about the "hidden data" in the post…
"It's not really hidden data, but there are some extra columns of data you can actually display when you use the "Choose columns to display" and choose 'Show all.'"
… I hope the pill wasn't too hard to swallow.
Jim
Neels Theron - Non-Guru Road To Making Money Online @ 1:07 am:
Jim, I think this is a case of viewing the Google info as just one more tool in our keyword research arsenal. This shouldn't be seen as THE tool, although I am sure we are going to use the info a lot. Seen as part of the research package it will be invaluable, but don't rely on this alone.
Lisa Lomas @ 1:21 am:
I am definately going to keep my ear to the ground on this one, something is missing in my mind.
magazine subscription @ 1:41 am:
The information now provided by google is excellent, although the data is not exact it does give an idea on what people are searching for
Thanks
Mally
Magazine Subscription @ 1:47 am:
Great news, although its not 100% accurate I'm looking forward to seeing how people use the data.
Mally
W. Knight @ 1:57 am:
Yes Jim, Rightly said..
Have noticed the "hidden" column since using it and thereafter, I alway choose show all column.
Told my group of marketers about this articles..
They can read it themselves.
Louise Fourie @ 1:57 am:
Hi Jim
@Mayank - Funny how no-one else, except the REAL gurus picked up on it.
Thanks a lot Jim, your feedback and take on the situation is invaluable. It will be very difficult to figure this out unless you are an expert, which is why YOU are the keyword-go-to-guy!
I'm sure this is finally going to show me which keywords to target first.
Kindest regards
Louise Fourie
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Wes @ 2:24 am:
It seems like everyone is setting to close to the fire here?
To me the apparent reason for Google's update is:
….drum - roll please ….
$$$ MONEY $$$
Even though they are cash king on Ads, PPC revenue is seeing a
sharp decline along with the US economy and searches overall.
This simple statement: ANSWER: Google made the change in response
to advertiser (customer) feedback. The customer is GOLDEN.
GOLDEN in that - give them numbers to pop their eyes on and build
a facade of value so ads will pay more, because the 'GOLDEN customer'
can be prepared for the competitive nature of the keywords they seek,
even with estimated guestimations(
Wes @ 2:28 am:
With all the spammy sites on-line that are created by automated junk
programs, aiming at adsense money and the systematic link building
E-books selling like hot cakes, pages are going to shed rank and show
so many wasted hours, days and weeks trying to game the system.
This is needed and hopefully will reduce some of the non-sense and place
the spot lights on value packed content sites and set adjusted guidance.
Google's market/stock position will be the stronger for making a move,
while the spammers ravage the remaining SEs for a few more years,
maybe forever!
Unfortunately, the "Google Slap" may look more like the "Google Snap",
once they pop the personalized search out of beta. I wonder if Google
will show guidance information to web masters regarding personalized
search preferences. Let's just say - follow the GOLD to more PPC ad
spend getting eyes to a site with relevant keywords and good
valuable/solid resourceful copy.
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Sublime Products @ 3:14 am:
An interesting article, but ultimately we still don't know what Google is up to.
Personally, I find it unlikely that Google will give anything away these days, without some real compensation.
Who knows, perhaps they're softening us up to pay a huge amount to get the real data? I imagine there are plenty of people who would pay serious money to get at that.
Where do I sign up……..
Andrew & Denise Chambers @ 3:17 am:
this is very good information thankyou
David @ 3:28 am:
How do you know it was "The switch was impulsive — and it was out of thin air — "
Google could have been thinking about this for months.
Uri - Pay Per Keyword Search Engine @ 3:47 am:
As usual Great read Jim
Do you think that by making these numbers available it will in the long haul hurt google results???
TLA @ 3:59 am:
I'm glad to see everyone so euphoric. I have but one question. Is this not the exact same company who gives us the PR of every site we visit?
I don't think I need to say anymore.
Paula @ 4:18 am:
Thanks for the tip about using an 'exact' search. I had been using broad search and couldn't understand why the results were way over the top. The exact match seems to bring it back in line with what I expect the results to be, at least in relation to my websites keywords.
Ed Dale @ 4:55 am:
hey Jim
Love your work.
Just to clarify - my assertions were based on comparing apples with apples - broad match to broad match
You'll also note that I used the term " within a standard deviation"
We have now done a comparison of over 2200 phrases across dozens of niches - And the results are still within a standard deviation.
I'm also confused about the 600 number that jerry had quoted - when the data clearly shows as low as 12 searches a month?
Personally - the most exciting factor (as you mention above) is working out phrases that you are just going waste your time on.
That isworth celebrating and getting excited about!!!
Ed
I'll defend my excitment
WidgetWoman @ 7:29 am:
This is all good news, Jim. But the fact remains that using AdWords can be a bank-account-draining proposition, if you get your campaign wrong.
New advertisers in particular tend to get burnt. It's wonderful that we're getting these more exact figures from Google, so we can create more effective ad campaigns and rake in the profits.
But PPC is an exact science that takes time, concentration and testing before you can succeed.
Just the suggested bid for most keywords looks rather daunting to the majority of people. And with more and more marketers flooding onto the Internet, it seems that PPC prices will only continue to rise.
That's why the free advertising alternatives to getting traffic and making money with a website are now becoming so popular.
eBaySecret Videos (free) @ 7:58 am:
Hey Jim,
Thanks for your candor in openly addressing this latest development from google keywords. I believe the numbers are over inflated and that being said I think that there will always be a need for a "watchdog" or tool that helps process and refine results before IMers jump in and deploy their ad budgets based on bogus info. Keep up the great work!
den
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never take google at face value upon first glance. You can bet your socks that there is more to this than meets the eyeball.
My gmail theory is that google is stress testing their servers as part of their world domination plan…microsoft be damned…
So this latest move falls right inline with their ongoing program to eliminate the competition and rule the ( Internet ) world.
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Steve Robichaud @ 8:35 am:
Jim.
I think the best advice about this latest change is what you stated…
Use these results to determine prioritization of your efforts.
This is all I have ever done with all of the keyword data that is available.
Steve
Darick @ 9:21 am:
you talk about key words.. but what about the "phrase" in the drop down box… how does that relate to what you are talking about… I use a four word phrase when doing my marketing… so to get the proper numbers coming out of google do I use the Phrase icon…or the key word….
thank you,
darick
Chas @ 9:37 am:
"No one else can tell you what keywords are going to outperform others." - Well then, I won't mention the site that shows commercial intent.
The NicheBOT Guy @ 2:09 pm:
Chas,
If you have something helpful or useful — then please share.
Here's what my last line read in this post:
"If you have any further data you would like to share with other users that might be helpful, please do so below."
Either way — be well.
Jim
SEO Seattle @ 2:42 pm:
Thanks for the honest assessment. It's pretty cool we can see quickly some trend data and highest traffic months. Like you've already said and done, comparing this with actual performance will be quite interesting.
Groove @ 4:10 am:
hmm, has the tool gone down, all terms I now search for are showing 'NO DATA'
Jocee Wild @ 1:03 pm:
I'm not sold on the google adsense measurements yet. I think this is biased and does not include all the traffic they are getting.
For example: I invited some friends to check my new website, still in somewhat of a beta test mode, to find out what exactly appeals to them there.
I had good and not-so-good comments but all very helpful.
One comment I got was, it seems like you have a lot of very good add links (talking about the google links on my site) and that it gave these visitors a real interest in clicking on those links. Someone one said, "I just couldn't help it but clicked on a lot of the links on your site."
When I looked at the logs from Google the site still shows very little in terms of clicks.
Either the testers were lying or google is ignoring those clicks. I'm putting my money on google's dishonesty as I trust my friends to tell me exactly what they were doing - and one I actually observed while this person got carried away clicking on those google links.
Any thoughts, anyone?
thanks,
jo
Learn Acoustic Guitar Online @ 1:34 pm:
Good data in the NicheBot Google View screenshot!
Even if the numbers aren't accurate, a relative positioning of keyword popularity is good by me! It is easier to sort data in excel using real numbers rather than pictures of graphs.
Thanks for your thoughts on this new development from the Big G.
Ted
Dana Clockedile @ 10:44 am:
This is great news Jim. I never copuld figure out why, since they had to be collecting it, google didn't publish this info.
By-the-way, I also commented about you site to my fellow Web2.0 Upgrade members. I'm sure they'll be happy to hear this too.
Milan Kosanovic @ 12:22 pm:
Jim,
Here is one of the reasons why Google data is less acurate in your results, and in general:
For competitive keywords, there are many people who just check the rankings. They either just doing SEO research, or are the competition and they check THEIR rankings once a day, or even automatically - couple times a day.
Smaller search engines have a larger percentage of "real" users, who search to get data. Do you know an SEO person who doesn't check rankings on Google? Hardly.
Kurt Henninger @ 7:52 pm:
I think this is a huge move by google. I have thought and wondered many times what the future of wordtracker will be once google gets this new feature zeroed in.
This Will Change Your Life! @ 12:38 am:
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The NicheBOT Guy @ 3:04 am:
Neels,
I think you are right — this new Google
data "shouldn't be seen as THE tool" –
but just one thing to consider as part
of the arsenal.
Best,
Jim
The NicheBOT Guy @ 3:12 am:
Hey Lynne,
You said:
"One thing I guess is that nichebot is a paid for keyword research tool and Jim won't want to sing googles praises to high or we will all go with the free google option!"
I honestly wish I could sing praises about the Google information and say it was accurate. I am simply just reporting the reality and truth of the situation.
Simply put, if the Google data were accurate and spot on — that's how I would report it. NicheBOT is unbiased and as you can see — we already have an import tool that brings this data into the NicheBOT environment.
Even if the data was accurate, the fact is — while the External Keyword tool is great for preliminary keyword research, the data has to be exported and manipulated in spreadsheets and not imported into a database environment that allows for processing large keyword lists, heavy filtering by count and such — all of which NicheBOT does.
I appreciate your spin and perspective on the situation, but I have no bias about the data. NicheBOT has and always will be a neutral party since it carries data from WordTracker, Google, Yahoo and Keyword Discovery.
Nonetheless, I appreciate your thoughts.
Best,
Jim
The NicheBOT Guy @ 3:16 am:
David,
You said:
"How do you know it was "The switch was impulsive — and it was out of thin air — Google could have been thinking about this for months."
As far as us webmasters and online business owners are concerned, the switch was impulsive and totally out of left field.
No one would have guessed that they would have released it.
I'm certain that not only was Google planning this for months, but there had to be some serious effort involved in making this happen.
Best,
Jim
The NicheBOT Guy @ 3:20 am:
Uri,
As long as Google continues to refine their numbers and estimations and people just view these new results as a way to prioritize the popularity of keywords, I do not believe this move will hurt Google results.
I believe this move will actually inspire advertisers to do more business with Google now that there seems to be more specific volume counts.
I also believe that this will set a trend for other major players like MSN and Yahoo to show their numbers. I believe this was the direction the other two were going — but Google headed them off at the pass.
Best,
Jim
The NicheBOT Guy @ 3:26 am:
Hey Ed,
Thanks for coming here to clarify.
You said that you are comparing broad match
to broad match.
Does this mean you are not comparing results
from organic search rankings with the numbers?
I believe Jerry is comparing organic search
rankings with Google's numbers as am I.
It sounds like you are referring to cross-
checking Google's broad match numbers to
traffic received from Adwords on broad
match terms.
Am I correct in my hunch?
Please clarify further.
I, too, was also a little stumped about
Jerry's 600 number since I saw some tail
terms that come in with rather low counts.
Either way — I'll definitely agree that
this is EXCITING news as well that Google
released the numbers — and I believe it's
a step in the right direction for the
entire industry.
Best,
Jim
The NicheBOT Guy @ 3:28 am:
Widget Woman,
I'll agree that PPC can be a bank
draining proposition.
That's why I recently did an interview
with a PPC expert to correct the
situation at:
http://www.nichebot.com/ppc.html
If PPC advertisers would only under-
stand the importance of going after
buying terms — things would be much
more profitable. (See URL above).
Best,
Jim
The NicheBOT Guy @ 3:34 am:
Darick,
You said:
you talk about key words.. but what about the "phrase" in the drop down box… how does that relate to what you are talking about… I use a four word phrase when doing my marketing… so to get the proper numbers coming out of google do I use the Phrase icon…or the key word.
The "phrase" in the drop down box relates to "phrase matching" but it is not precise by Google's own terms:
"Phrase Match - If you enter your keyword in quotation marks, as in "tennis shoes", your ad will appear when a user searches on the phrase tennis shoes, in this order, and possibly with other terms in the query.
In this case, the search can also contain other terms as long as it includes the exact phrase you've specified. For example, your ad may appear for the queries buy tennis shoes and tennis shoes store but not shoes for tennis. "
As you can see, in phrase match, "the search can also contain other terms" which is why you want to use EXACT match to figure out more precise totals of what kind of traffic you may receive when using Google's estimated figures.
Best,
Jim
The NicheBOT Guy @ 3:39 am:
Milan,
You said:
"Here is one of the reasons why Google data is less acurate in your results, and in general:
For competitive keywords, there are many people who just check the rankings. They either just doing SEO research, or are the competition and they check THEIR rankings once a day, or even automatically - couple times a day.
Smaller search engines have a larger percentage of "real" users, who search to get data. Do you know an SEO person who doesn't check rankings on Google? Hardly."
I'll have to agree with you there.
This is one thing I did not discuss in my dissertation above and that was the NOISE that search engines like Google get as a result of rank checkers, people just looking up keywords by doing research, doing competition searches and lets not forget all the desktop keyword tools that access Google.com's index.
So yeah - you are very right about all the NOISE that is going on as it relates to Google and other large search engines.
Best,
Jim
The NicheBOT Guy @ 3:39 am:
Hey All,
And here's the screenshot of the Google Data Import already working
within NicheBOT
You'll notice that one column that the G tool doesn't show for us
organic optimizers (the competition column)
Jim
Google adwords For beginners @ 8:48 am:
It's funny that when I first heard that the google keyword tool was going to contain estimates, I thought i would be absolutely mesmerized by it. Funny thing is now that it is live, I actually hardly use it. With some really savvy software available that does the job adequately, I am not sure that a keyword suggestion tool with approximate numbers will take on a life of it's own
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